Ed Zitron: Big Tech Is 'Handing Money To Itself' To Inflate The AI Bubble
0:00
人工智慧交易在華爾街獲得了另一個信心投票。
The AI trade is getting another vote of confidence from Wall Street.
0:03
摩根大通表示,大型科技公司的巨額人工智慧投資開始見效,而NVIDIA則轉向私募股權和信貸巨頭,如阿波羅和黑石,以幫助資助下一階段的建設。
JP Morgan says big tech's massive AI investments are starting to pay off, while NVIDIA is turning to private equity and credit giants like Apollo and Blackstone to help fund the next phase of the build-out.
0:15
但隨著大型科技公司承擔更多債務以跟上人工智慧支出競賽,對於回報是否能夠證明成本的合理性,問題也越來越多。
But as big tech takes on more debt to keep up with the AI spending race, questions are growing over whether the returns will justify the cost.
0:22
現在,為了幫助分析這一切,我邀請到了科技行業分析師Ed Zitron。Ed,非常感謝你再次來到節目。
Now, to help break it all down, I'm joined by tech industry analyst Ed Zitron. Ed, thanks so much for coming back on. Thanks for having me.
0:29
所以我想從摩根大通的這個標題開始。
So I want to start on this headline coming out of JP Morgan.
0:32
華爾街多年來一直在問,何時我們才能真正看到人工智慧資本支出帶來的回報?
Wall Street for years has been asking, when will we finally see AI CapEx spend pay off?
0:38
現在我們看到摩根大通正在提高其標準普爾500指數的目標,表示他們看到了這些回報的證據。
And now we're seeing JP Morgan is raising its S&P 500 target, saying that it's seeing evidence of those returns.
0:44
你認為他們宣告勝利是否太早了?我認為他們應該宣告失敗。
Do you think that they're declaring victory too early? I think they're declaring victory when they should be declaring failure.
0:51
目前,分析師和彭博社報導稱,70%的人工智慧收入來自OpenAI和Anthropic,這兩家公司根本無法負擔計算成本。
Right now, analysts and actually Bloomberg reported as well that 70% of AI revenues are from OpenAI and Anthropic, two companies that can't afford to actually pay for the compute.
1:00
而這些收入來自微軟、谷歌和亞馬遜。
And that's across Microsoft, Google and Amazon.
1:04
他們未來的收入基於從兩家根本無法負擔支付的公司中獲取資金的能力。
Their future revenues are based on their ability to harvest money from two companies that can quite literally not afford to pay them.
1:12
此外,他們今年的實際計算支出將達到1000億美元左右。
On top of that, their actual compute spend is going to be 100 billion or something this year.
1:17
這聽起來可能很多,但大型科技公司已經在資本支出上花費了超過一萬億美元。他們明年將再花費一萬億美元。
That may sound like a lot, but already big tech has spent over a trillion dollars in CapEx. They're going to spend another trillion dollars next year.
1:24
如果他們被允許這樣做,還會有更多的數萬億。我不確定這裡的數學是如何運作的。
Trillions more if they're allowed to have their way. I'm not sure how the mathematics works here.
1:29
微軟在2026財年的人工智慧收入為343.3億美元。
Microsoft's AI revenue for fiscal year 2026 was $34.33 billion.
1:34
其中,OpenAI佔了241億美元。即使有OpenAI的資金,考慮到他們自2022年以來已經花費了2610億美元的資本支出,這也相當可悲。
Of that, OpenAI represented $24.1 billion. Even with OpenAI's money, that's pretty pathetic considering they've spent $261 billion in CapEx since 2022.
1:44
我不知道摩根大通在說什麼,但我會說股票價值並不代表現實。
I don't know what JP Morgan is talking about, but I will say stock values are not a representation of reality.
1:51
正如我們在人工智慧泡沫中所見,因為媒體和市場一直在給予大型科技公司人工智慧回報的信譽,
And as we've seen with the AI bubble, because the media and the markets have been giving credit to big tech for AI paying off,
1:58
儘管事實上人工智慧並沒有回報,並且它確實沒有對他們的資本支出造成任何影響。
despite the fact that AI really hasn't, and it definitely hasn't even put a dent in the amount of capex they're spending.
2:03
因此,隨著股票回報,顯然情況意識,那個對沖基金崩潰了。他們在人工智慧上有一個巨大的賭注。
And so with the stock returns, obviously situational awareness, that hedge fund imploded. They had a huge bet on AI.
2:10
你認為這是人工智慧泡沫的跡象,還是只是對沖基金承擔了過大的風險?我認為我們會看到更多這樣的情況。
Do you think that that is a sign of the AI bubble or was it just a hedge fund taking on too big of a risk? I think we're going to have a few more of those.
2:17
我認為我們還有Bougalbara。我想我們會看到更多這樣的情況。
I think we've got Bougalbara as well. We've got more to come, I think, with those.
2:21
因為這些情況很有趣,除了風險很高外,還試圖將一個邏輯性較強的論點應用於一個不合邏輯和不理性的市場。
Because what those are is, it's funny, on top of being very risky, it's attempted to apply a logical-ish thesis to an illogical market and an irrational market.
2:31
我想,Leopold Aschenbrenner與一位在Anthropic工作的人結婚。他顯然有一個MPI。
I mean, Leopold Aschenbrenner has, I think he's married to someone who works at Anthropoc. He clearly has an MPI.
2:38
此外,他在情況意識中擁有價值25億到50億美元的Anthropic股票,但他的賭注是半導體股票會無限增長。
also he has two and a half billion maybe five billion dollars worth of anthropic stock in situational awareness but his bet was that semiconductor stocks would just run infinitely
2:47
當然這不會發生,沒有什麼是無限的,即使是那些
of course that wasn't going to happen nothing runs infinitely even things
2:50
看似永遠上漲的東西也會有下跌的時期,
that go up seemingly forever have down periods and
2:53
他顯然是過度槓桿化,問題是越來越多的散戶投資者也過度槓桿化,所以在某個時候,這些即將發生的劇烈震盪將開始沖刷人們。
he was clearly over leveraged the problem is is that increasingly retail investors are over leveraged too so at some point these violent shakes that are going to start happening that are going to start washing people out.
3:04
我的意思是,他們不會是對沖基金規模的人,但散戶投資者將面臨同樣的情況,因為現在,美國股市,實際上許多股市實際上就像賭場。
I mean, they're not going to be hedge fund sized people, but retail investors are going to face the same kind of things because right now, the stock market, the US stock market, actually a lot of stock markets are effectively casinos.
3:17
它們不是基於公司的好壞,而是基於一些
They're not based on whether the companies are good. They're based on some
3:20
不穩定的新聞版本,結合著氛圍,結合著對公司的解讀,尤其是在那些只賠錢的AR公司情況下。
wobbly version of news combined with vibes, combined with reading the tea leaves of companies, especially in the case of the AR companies that really only ever lost money.
3:30
回到去年那個對沖基金,它的回報約為200%。
And going back to that hedge fund last year, it had about 200 percent in returns.
3:34
你認為即使你認為這些企業不會成功,我們還能繼續看到AI交易的運作嗎?
Do you think that we could continue to see the AI trade work, even if you think these businesses won't?
3:39
我認為要讓AI交易進一步增長,這些企業必須展示出目前沒有的東西。
I think for the AI trade to grow much further, the businesses have to show stuff that they're not right now.
3:45
我認為這些與AI相關的科技股可以繼續上漲,因為市場完全瘋狂。
I think that these tech stocks connected to AI can keep running because the market is completely insane.
3:52
CoreWeave,他們的損失隨著收入增加而增加。他們的債務隨著收入增加而增加。似乎沒有人在乎這一點。
CoreWeave, their losses are increasing with their revenues. Their debt is increasing with their revenues. No one seems to care about that.
3:58
他們不在乎CoreWeave有400億美元的債務。他們在乎的是數字上升。
They don't care that Corweave has $40 billion worth of debt. What they care about is number go up.
4:04
這件事可以持續很久,直到氛圍崩潰,直到市場對這種不理性的論點失去信心。
The thing about that is that can run very far, right up until the vibe cracks, right up until the market stops having confidence in this irrational thesis.
4:14
誰知道那會是什麼?也許是OpenAI不進行IPO。
Who knows what that could be? Maybe it could be OpenAI, not IPO-ing.
4:17
也許是Anthropic的S1看起來像一個殯儀館的內部。也許還有其他的事情。
Maybe it could be Anthropics S1 being, I don't know, looking like the inside of a funeral home. Maybe it could be something else.
4:24
也許是某個AI公司的驚人事件。也許CoreWeave無法籌集債務。
Maybe it could be a surprising event from one of the AI companies. Maybe Corweave not being able to raise debt.
4:29
無論如何,我們正處於一個基於氛圍的賭場市場。因此,任何事情都可能發生。
Either way, we are in a vibes based casino market. And so anything could happen.
4:34
事情可以繼續上漲,無論情況多糟,但在某個時候,現實會降臨,在某個時候,資金會耗盡。
Things can keep going up no matter how bad things get. But at some point, reality will dawn and at some point the money will run out.
4:40
你認為那可能是Anthropic或OpenAI進行IPO的時候嗎?
And you think that could be when Anthropic or OpenAI IPOs?
4:44
我認為Anthropic的S1,他們會試圖在資本支出上做一些不正當的事情。
I think that Anthropics S1, I think they're going to try and do some dodgy stuff with capital expenditures.
4:50
我認為他們會試圖把培訓成本算作資本支出。
i think they're going to try and put their training costs as capex
4:53
如果他們這樣做,歡迎回到2001年,歡迎
if they do that welcome back to 2001 welcome
4:57
回到網路泡沫。我也認為如果他們的
back to the dot-com bubble i also think that if their
Only the first 5 minutes are free. Install the app or extension to keep watching.
DownloadRequest another language

![[EN] [밥묵자] 무대 위에선 몬스터 밥상 앞에선 베이비 같은 소녀들과 회 한 접시(feat. 베이비몬스터 아현, 루카)](https://img.youtube.com/vi/zSY18jJhzFA/mqdefault.jpg)



