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The AI Race: Why the Future of Power Is at Stake with U.S. Energy Secretary, Chris Wright

0:00
大家好,我是托尼·羅賓斯。歡迎來到投資的聖杯播客。
Hi everyone, I'm Tony Robbins. Welcome to the Holy Grail of Investing podcast.
0:03
我喜歡美國是首要大國的世界。
I love the world where America is the preeminent power.
0:08
為了維持這一點,我們需要成為人工智慧的領導者。但如果沒有電力,我們就無法擁有人工智慧的力量。
And to keep that in place, we need to be the leader in AI. But we can't have the AI power if we don't have the electricity.
0:16
電力行業受到非常嚴格的政府監管,獲得許可證非常困難。
The electricity sector is very heavy government regulation, very difficult to get a permit.
0:21
想像一下,中國是首要軍事強國的世界。
Imagine a world where China is the preeminent military power.
0:25
我不想知道那個世界是什麼樣的,我完全不知道。你看到的,別人看不到的,讓你有信心我們能贏得這場戰爭的是什麼?
And I don't want to know what That world is like I don't know at all. What are you seeing that no one else is seeing that makes you confident that we can win this war?
0:32
世界擁有大量的能源。我們只需要把規範和官僚擋在一邊。
The world has a massive amount of energy. We just need to get regulations and bureaucrats out of the way.
0:37
這就是企業家與政府中的企業家合作的力量。沒錯。我們將使今天被判死刑的癌症變成可管理的狀況。
This is the power of an entrepreneur working with entrepreneurs in government. That's exactly right. We're going to make cancers that are death sentences today manageable conditions.
0:44
我們將擁有量子計算。我們將利用核聚變能源,因為人工智慧正給我們額外的動力。
We're going to have quantum computing. We're going to harness fusion energy because AI is just giving us that extra horsepower.
0:50
核聚變,這在我們的有生之年會在美國的電力中實現嗎?絕對會。哇。
Fusion, will it be available in electricity in the United States in our lifetime? Absolutely. Wow.
0:57
對他們來說,有哪些最佳機會?他們想在美國有所作為。他們想獲得良好的回報。
What are some of the best opportunities for them? They want to make a difference in America. They want to make a nice return.
1:01
我們的夢想是在這屆政府中,這意味著在接下來的三年四個月內,我們將會有。
Our dream is in this administration, which means in the next three and a quarter years, we're going to have.
1:11
大家好,我是托尼·羅賓斯。歡迎來到投資的聖杯播客。這是我的夥伴,克里斯托弗·祖克。感謝你們的參加。
Hi, everyone. I'm Tony Robbins. Welcome to the Holy Grail of Investing podcast. This is my partner. Christopher Zuck. Thank you for joining us.
1:19
我們今天會有一個驚人的日子。我們在華盛頓特區,國家的首都。我們在這裡是因為能源是主題。你知道,大家都在談論能源。
We're going to have an amazing day today. We're here in Washington, D.C. at the nation's capital. We're here because energy is the topic. You know, everyone talks about energy.
1:26
我們知道這影響著一切,影響我們生活的質量。但今天,能源意味著智慧。
We know it affects everything, the quality of our lives. But today, energy means intelligence.
1:30
人工智慧競賽是當今世界上最重要的競賽。我們需要超越中國。
The AI race is the most important race in the world today. We need to beat China.
1:35
如果我們要成為我們曾經的超級大國並繼續主導,我們需要確保贏得這場競賽。
If we're going to be the superpower we've been and continue to dominate, we need to make sure we win that race.
1:39
人們對能源短缺有很多恐懼,對能源的擔憂。
There's a lot of fear of scarcity of energy, concerns about energy.
1:43
所以我們想,也許最好的辦法是帶你去見我們的一位親密朋友,他恰好是能源部長克里斯·賴特。
And so we thought maybe the best thing to do is bring you to meet one of our dear friends who happens to be the Secretary of Energy, Chris Wright.
1:49
克里斯,很高興再次和你在一起。謝謝你抽出時間。我們非常感激。告訴我,你被賦予了一個相當大的任務。
Chris, great to be with you again. Thanks for making the time. We really appreciate it. Tell me something. You've been given a pretty giant task.
1:56
你應該給我們能源主導權,或者如總統所說,讓美國再次進入能源主導的黃金時代。
You're supposed to give us energy dominance, or as the president talks, the golden age of energy dominance for America again.
2:03
我們面臨著一些相當大的挑戰。我們在中國等方面稍微落後。但我們可以談談這些挑戰。
And there's some pretty big challenges ahead of us. We're a little bit behind China and so forth. But we can talk about the challenges.
2:08
我想首先從你這位能源部長的獨特位置了解一下,現在在能源領域有哪些人們可能不知道的重大機會?
I'd like to first find out from you, in your unique position as Secretary of Energy, what do you see are the greatest opportunities right now in energy that people may not be aware of?
2:16
我們碰到了幾個。你知道,一個就是讓現實回到能源上。
We hit a couple. You know, one is just bringing realism back to energy.
2:21
你知道,能源,正如你我所知,能源非常重要,周圍有很多政治、迷信和神話,讓我們走入了錯誤的方向。
You know, energy, as you and I know, energy matters so much and there's so much politics and superstition and myth around it that just got us in the wrong direction.
2:29
你知道,我們上一屆政府是關於能源減少的。
You know, we were the last administration was about energy subtraction.
2:33
我們必須擺脫大型能源來源,然後發展小型能源來源。這數學根本行不通。
We've got to get rid of the big energy sources and then grow the little energy sources. Well, the math just doesn't work on that.
2:40
所以我們,我認為,正如我所說,常識是有傳染性的。
So we're and I think, as I say, common sense is contagious.
2:44
我認為我們正在讓人們意識到真正的目標是更多的能源,極大地增加能源。
I think we're getting around the horn people to realize the real goal is more energy, massively more energy.
2:50
在美國,世界各地,更可負擔、可靠、安全的能源就是通往更好生活方式的道路。
In the United States, around the world, more affordable, reliable, secure energy is just the road to a better lifestyle.
2:57
所以我們會回到這個問題。第二件讓我非常興奮的事情,托尼,是能源部的17個國家實驗室。
And so we'll come back to that. The second thing I'm super excited about, Tony, is in the Department of Energy is our 17 national labs.
3:05
這些真是令人難以置信的機構。它們是我們國家的瑰寶。
These are just incredible institutions. They're gems of our country.
3:09
它們是地球上最大的物理科學諾貝爾獎工廠。
They're the biggest physical sciences Nobel Prize factories on the planet.
3:13
所以我們擁有這些令人難以置信的科學機構,我們正處於科學重大突破的邊緣。
So we have these incredible scientific institutions, and we're on the cusp of massive breakthroughs in science.
3:21
所以我們有四個大項目,或者三個巨大的項目。人工智慧,對吧?現在正達到臨界質量。
So we've got four big efforts, or three huge efforts. Artificial intelligence, right? Hitting critical mass now.
3:27
這是與私營部門的夥伴關係。量子計算,我們今天已經有小規模的應用。
That's a partnership with the private sector. Quantum computing, we have at small scale today.
3:32
但如果我們能擴大量子計算,那也是改變遊戲規則的。改變一切。核聚變能源。
But if we can scale quantum computing, that's also game-changing. Changes everything. Fusion energy.
3:37
我在40多年前上大學時就致力於核聚變能源。什麼驅動著太陽和星星?
I went to college over 40 years ago to work on fusion energy. What powers the sun and the stars?
3:43
而且現在因為人工智慧在材料科學上的進步,正在取得巨大的進展。
And that is making massive progress now because of artificial intelligence advances in material science.
3:51
所以我認為我們在未來幾年內會看到商業核聚變能源的途徑。哇。
And so I think we're going to see pathways to commercial fusion energy in the next few years. Wow.
3:57
想想半導體和材料的一般突破。所以現在正是科學發現的時代。
And think of breakthroughs in semiconductors and materials in general. So it's an age of scientific discovery right now.
4:04
所以像我這樣的科學怪胎轉變為科技迷在這個位置上,就像小孩在糖果店裡。
So to have a science geek turned tech nerd like me in this position, it is a kid in a candy shop.
4:10
好吧,你不是典型的能源部長。上次我們見面時,我們在談論一個我們正在進行的項目,氫的突破,你形容自己是一個書呆子,而不是一個穿著正式的能源部長。
Well, you aren't the typical energy secretary. Last time we met, we were talking about a project we're working on, Breakthrough in Hydrogen, and you were describing yourself as a nerdy guy, not a buttoned-up energy secretary.
4:20
而且你真的不是。但首先,你是兩黨批准的。你有七位民主黨人,一位獨立人士。
And you really aren't. But first of all, you were approved bipartisan. You had seven Democrats, one independent.
4:26
而且大多數人把你這個位置的人看作官僚,但你是一位了不起的企業家。你建立了一些能源行業中最成功的公司。
And most people look at someone in your position as a bureaucrat, but you're an incredible entrepreneur. You've built some of the most successful companies in the energy sector.
4:32
我希望你能和我們分享這些。但我也知道其中一家公司涉及水力壓裂,我從一位共同朋友那裡聽說過,你曾在鏡頭前喝過一些水力壓裂液,以向人們展示這並不危險。
I'd love for you if you'd share that with us. But also, I know one of those companies was involved with fracking, and I heard from a mutual friend that at one point on camera you drank some fracking fluid just to show people it wasn't dangerous.
4:43
所以給我們講講你的起源故事。你是怎麼來到這裡的?這是真的。
So give us a little sense about your origin story. How did you come to be here? That's true.
4:49
所以我在科羅拉多州的丹佛長大,你知道,郊區,喜歡運動,喜歡戶外,喜歡所有年輕孩子喜歡的東西。
So I grew up in Denver, Colorado, you know, suburban area, you know, loved sports, loved outdoors, loved all the things young kids like.
4:56
但不同的是,我和我哥哥真的很喜歡科學。我們讀科幻小說。我們想學習科學。
But the different thing, my brother and I really loved science. Like so we read science fiction. We wanted to learn about science.

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