Mohnish Pabrai: I Spent 30 Years in Investing. Here's Everything in 30 Minutes
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在像沃爾瑪這樣的企業永久衰退之前,不用擔心股價是多少。
Until a business like Walmart goes into permanent decline, don't worry about what the stock price is.
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不用擔心它有多貴或多便宜。只要持有它。我正和莫尼什·帕布賴坐下來。
Don't worry about how expensive or cheap it is. Just keep it. I'm sitting down with Monish Pabrai.
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在過去的30年裡,他的職業生涯圍繞著一個簡單的理念。不要重新發明已經有效的東西。
For the past 30 years, he's built his career around one simple idea. Don't reinvent what already works.
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在生命的早期進行非常小的改變會產生巨大的影響。
Very small changes done very early in life have huge impacts.
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每個在《福布斯》400強上的人都是因為一個企業而成功的。
Every person on that Forbes 400 got there because of one business.
0:30
標準普爾500指數,我知道你提到它也有自己的問題。
The S&P 500, I know you mentioned that it's also got its own problems.
0:34
我們現在在2026年,未來10年,標準普爾500指數,可能不是一個好的地方。
We are at a point now in 2026, the next 10 years, the S&P, it's probably not a good place to be.
0:43
他從一百萬開始。今天,他管理著14億美元。
He started with one million. Today, he manages $1.4 billion.
0:49
那麼這三十年教會了他什麼?我去德克薩斯州找答案。
So what have these three decades taught him? I traveled to Texas to find out.
0:54
我曾經擁有法拉利的1%。
I used to own 1% of Ferrari.
0:57
我犯的最大錯誤是當它們接近公允價值時賣掉它們。
The biggest mistake I made was selling them when they approached fair value.
1:02
今天法拉利的市值接近1000億美元。
Ferrari's market cap today is approaching $100 billion.
1:06
那1%將值十億。我很抱歉,你犯了一個錯誤。
The 1% would be worth a billion. I'm sorry, you made a mistake.
1:12
是的,你知道,這有多愚蠢嗎?我想從這開始。
Yeah, and you know, how dumb is that? I want to start with this.
1:16
在我們的對話之後,如果我把你所說的一切都放在心上並付諸行動。
After our conversation, if I take everything that you say to heart and act on it.
1:22
我投資的方式會改變什麼?要改變你的消費,大部分的戰鬥是在儲蓄方面。
What will change about the way that I invest? To change how you spend, most of the battle is on the saving side.
1:31
你必須花的少於你賺的。你不需要了解太多投資的知識。你可以把它放進指數基金。
You have to spend less than you earn. You don't need to know much about investing. You can put it into an index fund.
1:37
在一生中,由於複利的不對稱性,即使是相對較小的金額,你也會變得非常富有。
Over a lifetime, because of the asymmetry of compounding, even with relatively small amounts, you're going to become very wealthy.
1:45
在生命的早期進行非常小的改變會在長期內產生巨大的影響,而不需要真正放棄任何東西。
Very small changes done very early in life have huge impacts long term without really having to give up anything.
1:55
所以我想轉換話題到標準普爾500指數。我知道你提到它也有
So I want to switch gears to the S&P 500. I know you mentioned that it's also
1:59
有它自己的問題,但你無法否認它有著非凡的歷程。
got its own problems, but you can't deny the fact that it's had an extraordinary run.
2:05
在超過30年的投資之後,你現在如何看待美國股市?
After more than 30 years of investing, how do you view the U.S. stock market right now?
2:10
關於指數投資需要記住的一件事
One of the things to remember about index investing
2:14
即使是這樣
is that even though
2:17
指數投資非常好,但當我們回顧標普的悠久歷史時,標普在100年來的平均年回報率超過9%。
index investing is very good, when we go back and look at the long history of the S&P, the S&P on average over 100 years, for example, has averaged more than 9% a year.
2:30
這是一個優秀的結果。但如果
That's an excellent result. But if
2:33
你看看某些時期,比如說1965年到1982年,17年期間,結果是零。
you look at some periods from, let's say, 1965 to 1982, 17-year period, it was zero.
2:44
儘管美國經濟增長很多,利潤也增長很多。
Even though the U.S. economy grew a lot, profits grew a lot.
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原因是1965年市場非常過熱。
The reason was that in 1965, the market was very overheated.
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而到1982年,市場非常低估。
And by 1982, it was very undervalued. valued.
2:58
那時候並不是投資指數的好時機。
It was not a good time to invest in the index.
3:03
而在80年代初,卻是一個令人難以置信的投資時機。
And it was an incredible time to invest in the index in the early 80s.
3:09
然後從82年到99年是一段壯觀的增長期。
And then from 82 to 99 was a spectacular run.
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我認為在那17年期間,標普500指數上漲了15倍。
I think the S&P went up 15x in that 17-year period.
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所以從65年到82年是零。然後82年到99年,它上漲了大約15倍,這是很多。
So it was zero from 65 to 82. And then 82 to 99, it went up like 15 times, which is a lot.
3:33
然後從99年到2010年又是零。
And then from 99 till about 2010 is again zero.
3:37
我們反覆看到這種模式,你
We repeatedly see this pattern, and you
3:41
可以追溯到1920年代、1910年代,你會發現有10年、20年,甚至30年期間是平坦的。
can go back all the way to the 1920s, 1910s, you will find 10, 20, even 30-year periods where it's flat.
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然後你會發現10年、15年、20年期間是壯觀的。
And then you find 10, 15, 20-year periods which are spectacular.
3:57
我們現在在2026年,
We are at a point now in 2026 that
4:01
我不會感到驚訝,比如說在接下來的10年裡,標普500的年均增長在-2%到+2%之間。
it would not surprise me, say, over the next 10 years, the S&P is between minus 2% a year and plus 2% a year on average.
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接下來的10年,最好的
The next 10 years, the best
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猜測是,根據過去的水平和走勢,這可能不是一個好的投資時機。
guess I have, looking at just the levels and where it's been in the past, is that it's probably not a good place to be.
4:27
這就是為什麼我建議把伯克希爾·哈撒韋視為指數。
And that is why I suggested that look at Berkshire Hathaway like the index.
4:33
所以到2035年左右,標普500將準備好迎接下一次增長。
So by 2035 or thereabouts, the S&P will be ready for its next run.
4:41
但我們有這10年的時期,這是我們必須跨越的深淵。
But we have this 10-year period, the abyss that we have to cross.
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所以在伯克希爾·哈撒韋待10年。然後標普500將再次準備好發動。
So 10 years stay in Berkshire Hathaway. And then the S&B will be ready to roll again.
4:53
你曾說過你有一個投資檢查清單,裡面有超過213項。
You've said that you have an investment checklist with over, I believe it was 213 items.
4:59
你能給我一個例子,說明你曾經認真考慮的一家公司,然後檢查清單上的某項讓你停下來重新評估那個決定嗎?
Can you give me an example of a company that you were seriously considering and then something on the checklist made you stop and reassess that decision?
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