Save our brains: how dangerous is sport?
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你正在收听《对话》。在我居住的澳大利亚墨尔本,这就是我们的周末声音。
You're listening to The Conversation. Where I live in Melbourne, Australia, this is the sound of our weekends.
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这是澳大利亚规则足球,孩子们从六七岁开始就会玩。
This is Australian rules football, and kids play it from when they're six or seven years of age.
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但几周前,这一切发生了悲剧性的转变。一位备受喜爱的墨尔本足球运动员在比赛中遭遇了令人心碎的伤害,今天早上仍在生命支持中。
But a few weeks ago, it took a tragic turn. A much-loved Melbourne football player remains on life support this morning after a heartbreaking injury during a match.
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这位27岁的球员周六在莱劳为埃平的预备队比赛。
The 27-year-old was playing for Epping's reserves team in Leylaw on Saturday.
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他在墨尔本北部的一场比赛中因一次自由冲突遭受了灾难性的伤害,最终在医院去世。
He has died in hospital after suffering catastrophic injuries in a free clash during a game in Melbourne's north.
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内森·菲茨杰拉德在一次铲球中头部遭受了三次撞击。他去世时只有27岁。
Nathan Fitzgerald copped three hits to the head during a tackle. He was only 27 years old when he died.
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这引发了我们对这项在这里被视为宗教的运动的反思。它安全吗?我们的孩子应该玩吗?
It's prompted a reckoning about the sport we treat like a religion here. Is it safe? Should our kids play?
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我们对每周末上场的球员应承担什么样的照顾责任?
And what kind of duty of care do we owe the players who take to the field every weekend?
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我是尼尔·西旺,《对话》的体育编辑,这是一个将记者与学者合作的新闻与分析平台。
I'm Neil Seawang, Sports Editor at The Conversation, a news and analysis platform partnering journalists with academics.
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欢迎收听《对话周刊》,专家们将解释我们是如何走到今天的。
Welcome to The Conversation Weekly, where experts explain how we ended up here.
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艾伦·皮尔斯,作为一名神经科学家,你已经研究运动相关的脑震荡超过二十年。
Alan Pearce, as a neuroscientist, you've been researching sports-related concussion for more than two decades.
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当你第一次开始在这个领域工作时,我们对头部撞击、脑震荡和慢性创伤性脑病(CTE)的风险了解多少?
When you first started working in this space, how much do we know about the risks of head knocks and concussion and CTE?
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我们对脑震荡,特别是,已经知道了一段时间。
We have known about concussion in particular for quite some time.
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所以脑震荡是一种单一的创伤性脑损伤。
So concussion is a single traumatic brain injury.
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所以,你知道,我在这里高谈阔论,我有点讨厌“头部撞击”这个词,因为这不仅仅是头部撞击。这是脑损伤。
So, you know, I get on my high horse here and I sort of hate the term head knock because it's more than a head knock. It's a brain injury.
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在脑震荡后,你会立即看到迹象和症状。
And you see the signs and symptoms straight away after a concussion.
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有相当多的研究
There was a fair amount of research around
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特别是脑震荡,但
concussion in particular, but
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不一定从球员晚年生活和退休的纵向角度来看,当然也不涉及慢性创伤性脑病或CTE。
not necessarily from a longitudinal aspect in terms of players later in life and retirement, and certainly not around chronic traumatic encephalopathy or CTE.
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足球传奇人物波莉·法默成为首位被追授诊断为慢性创伤性脑病的球员。
Footy legend Polly Farmer has become the game's first player to be posthumously diagnosed with the crippling brain disease known as CTE.
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新西兰一名职业橄榄球运动员确认首例与持续头部撞击相关的退行性脑病。
The first case of a degenerative brain disease linked to constant head knocks in a New Zealand professional rugby player has been confirmed.
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所以在过去的十年里做了很多工作,
So there's been a lot of work in
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过去十年最后的那种情况,因为
the last sort of 10 years now and that is because
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我们确实有来自世界各地脑库的良好证据,
we do have good evidence coming through
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显示出病理证据,我想是强有力的证据。
from the brain banks around the world showing I guess pathology evidence you know good strong evidence that
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慢性创伤性脑病是一种真实的疾病,它与反复的头部撞击有关,而不仅仅是脑震荡。
CTE is a real disease and it's also relating to repetitive head impacts rather than concussions per se.
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所以发生了很多事情,但我们在这里还有很长的路要走。
So there has been quite a bit happening but we've still got a long way to go here.
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那么,CTE究竟是什么,我们对其原因知道什么,又不知道什么?
So what exactly is CTE and what do we know and not know about its causes?
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CTE是我们所称的神经退行性脑疾病,类似于其他痴呆症,但它
CTE is what we call a neurodegenerative brain disease, not unlike other dementias but it
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确实具有非常特定的特征,使其与其他痴呆症如阿尔茨海默病、血管性痴呆或额颞叶痴呆区分开来。
certainly has very specific characteristics that differentiate it from other dementias like Alzheimer's or vascular dementia or frontotemporal dementia.
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如果我们将其与阿尔茨海默病进行比较,例如,阿尔茨海默病起始于大脑的深层部分,而CTE则非常特定于大脑的外层部分。
And if we compare it to Alzheimer's, for example, where it starts in the deeper part of the brain, CT is very specific around the outer part of the brain.
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它最初开始的地方被称为谷。
And where it first starts is at what we call the valley.
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所以你有脑部那种不平整、凹凸不平的外观,里面充满了山丘和谷地。
So you have the lumpy, bumpy look of the brain, and it's sort of filled with hills and valleys.
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而在那些谷地的最底部,我们开始看到CTE的早期阶段。
And at the very bottom of those valleys is where we start to see the early stages of CTE.
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这就是因为我们所看到的是一种,我想,是与身体创伤的关系。
And that is because what we see is a, I guess, a relationship to physical trauma.
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也与家族有关,慢性创伤性脑病确实是由于身体创伤引起的,并不仅限于老年人。
And so unlike other dementias or even diseases like motor neuron disease, where it can start spontaneously, it's age-related,
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这与家庭有关,CTE确实是由于身体创伤而开始的,这不仅仅发生在老年人身上。
it's family-related as well, CTE is really very much starting because of physical trauma, and it's not just in old people.
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我们在年轻人身上也看到了这一点。所以这可能是最大的区别。
We see this in young people as well. So that's probably the biggest difference.
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所以我们发现运动员、军人,不幸的是,还有家庭暴力,
So we find that players, athletes, military, unfortunately domestic violence,
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那些从未受到脑震荡但经历了数百次、数千次,甚至在某些情况下达到数万次重复冲击的人被诊断为CTE。
where the person has never been concussed but has received hundreds and thousands, and in some cases tens of thousands of repeated impacts diagnosed with CTE.
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而另一方面,有些人在职业生涯中经历了50次脑震荡却没有被诊断为CTE。
And then on the flip side, you have people who have had 50 concussions in their career aren't diagnosed with CTE.
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所以这是我们仍在探索的事情,但证据指向重复的头部冲击。
So it's one of those things that we're still finding out, but the evidence is pointing towards repetitive head impacts.
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我们最近看到许多前AFL和橄榄球运动员分享他们的脑部受伤经历。
We've seen a slew of former AFL and rugby players come out recently about their experiences with brain injuries?
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从大约42岁开始,我开始面临记忆丧失等问题。
From the age of probably 42 I'm starting to deal with memory loss and stuff.
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当它影响到你的一切时,你的工作能力、睡眠能力,你知道每天都有头痛。
When it impacts you through everything you know your ability to work, your ability to sleep, you know got headaches every day.
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