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Teens are still on social media, but does that mean Australia's ban has failed?

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你正在收听《对话》。2024年4月的一个晚上,安娜贝尔·韦斯特合上一本书,转向她的丈夫。
You're listening to The Conversation. One evening in April 2024, Annabelle West closed a book and turned to her husband.
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我的妻子正在阅读一本名为《焦虑的一代》的书,作者是乔纳森·海特。
My wife was reading a book called The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt.
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这是彼得·马利诺夫斯基,南澳大利亚州的州长。
This is Peter Malinowskis, the Premier of the state of South Australia.
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她读完了这本书,把书放在腿上,转向我说,你最好真的做点什么。
She finished the book, she put it down in her lap and she turned to me and said, you better bloody do something about this.
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海特的书讨论了社交媒体对青少年大脑造成的伤害,建议禁止16岁以下的人使用社交媒体。
Haidt's book about the damage social media is doing to adolescent brains suggested banning social media for under-16s.
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我们开始思考如何能够做出有意义的改变,以保护孩子们免受社交媒体不受监管所带来的所有危险。
We got to work thinking about how we could make a meaningful difference to protect kids from all the dangers that social media unregulated represents.
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马利诺夫斯基召开了一次峰会,邀请仇恨发言。
Malinowskis launched a summit inviting hate to speak.
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然后,一场由新闻集团主导的运动开始了,直到六个月前的2025年12月,积累了政治动能,
Then a campaign began, led by News Corporation, which gathered political momentum until six months ago in December 2025,
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澳大利亚成为世界上第一个禁止16岁以下青少年使用社交媒体的国家。
Australia became the first country in the world to ban under-16s from social media.
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现在,其他政府正在考虑类似的法律。在6月中旬,英国宣布计划从2027年起对16岁以下的人实施社交媒体禁令。
Now other governments are considering similar laws. In mid-June, the UK announced plans to introduce its own ban on social media for under-16s from 2027.
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澳大利亚是一个试验案例。那么情况如何呢?
Australia is the test case. So how's it going?
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澳大利亚的青少年是否从手机的光芒中走出来,重新参与现实世界?
Have the teenagers of Australia emerged from a phone-lit glow to re-engage in the real world?
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这对他们的心理健康有什么样的影响?
And what kind of difference is it having on their mental health?
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我是杰玛·韦尔,来自《对话》,一个将记者与学者合作的平台。
I'm Gemma Ware from The Conversation, a news and analysis platform partnering journalists with academics.
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欢迎收听《对话周刊》,专家们将解释我们是如何走到这一步的。
Welcome to The Conversation Weekly, where experts explain how we ended up here.
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在这一集中,社交媒体禁令真的有效吗?
In this episode, does a social media ban really work?
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苏珊·索耶,你是墨尔本大学青少年健康的教授,工作于默多克儿童研究所,你的一部分工作是研究澳大利亚社交媒体禁令的影响。
Susan Sawyer, you're a professor of adolescent health at the University of Melbourne and based at the Murdoch Children's Research Institute, where part of your work is looking at the impacts of Australia's social media ban.
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欢迎收听播客。我很高兴能和你们一起。苏珊,自澳大利亚成为世界上第一个禁止16岁以下青少年使用社交媒体的国家以来,已经过去六个月了。
Welcome to the podcast. I'm delighted to join you. So, Susan, it's been six months now since Australia became the first country in the world to ban under-16s from social media.
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这六个月对你来说如何?你是如何跟踪发生的事情并身处其中的?
How have those six months been for you, trying to track what's going on and being in the middle of it all?
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我认为这就像过山车一样,我们都经历了发生的事情,看到的变化和没有看到的变化。
I think it's been a bit of a roller coaster as we've all lived through what's been happening, what changes we've seen, what changes we haven't seen.
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我认为现在在这个领域进行研究是一个非常激动人心的时刻,我想我只能这么说。这是令人着迷的。
And it's a very exciting time to be doing research in the area, I think is all I can say. It's been fascinating.
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因为这本质上是一个独特的社会科学实验,你也在经历着。确实,这是我所用的语言。
Because it's essentially a unique social science experiment that you're living through as well. Certainly, that's the language.
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当立法首次提出时,我肯定是用这些术语来描述它的,认为这是对年轻人的社会实验。
When the legislation was first introduced, I was certainly describing it using those terms, that it was a social experiment on young people.
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老实说,我认为我后来有些退缩,意识到实际上,
I think I've since backtracked a little, to be honest, and realised that actually,
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如果我们看待儿童对社交媒体的接触,可能这才是更大的社会实验。
if we look at children's exposure to social media in general, that probably that's the bigger social experiment.
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我认为许多人有这样的信念
And I think that the belief that many
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人们有一种看法,认为
people had that somehow there was this notion
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技术例外主义,社交媒体平台不需要我们在其他行业中所期望的监管水平。
of tech exceptionalism and that social media platforms did not need a level of regulation that we expect in every other industry.
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我认为这让人深思。
I think that's been quite sobering to be thinking about
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我们理想中如何建立平台
how do we ideally make platforms
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更安全,但考虑到各国在与科技公司互动方面的困难,还有哪些其他策略可以使用?
safer, but given the degree of difficulty that countries have had in engaging with tech companies around that, what other strategies can be used?
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澳大利亚将禁止儿童使用社交媒体。
Australia is to ban children from using social media.
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该立法将对使用Facebook和Instagram等平台施加并执行最低年龄限制。
The legislation will impose and enforce a minimum aid to use platforms like Facebook and Instagram.
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如果我们回到那个时候,我觉得我对此有很复杂的感受。
If we go back to that time, I think I had very mixed feelings about it.
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在很大程度上,我认为这与我们调查过的许多父母的看法非常一致,
Largely, and I think very consistent with many of the parents that we've surveyed,
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我对实际让年轻人远离社交媒体的能力感到怀疑。
was the cynicism I think I had about the ability to actually get young people off social media.
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在某种程度上,我认为这很公平。确实很困难。
And to some extent, I think that's been fair cop. It has been pretty difficult.
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澳大利亚的电子安全委员会,我们的独立监管机构,正在与各个社交媒体公司进行非常艰苦的工作。
And Australia's eSafety Commission, our independent regulator, is having to work incredibly hard with the various social media companies in relation to that.
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安全委员会开始引入一些
The Safety Commission is starting to introduce some
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更深入的调查,针对五家它认为在年龄验证方面没有采取足够措施的科技公司。
deeper investigations into five tech companies that it feels have not taken sufficient steps in relationship to age assurance.
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因此,在接下来的几个月里,随着这些调查的进行,将会很有趣。
So it will be interesting over the next couple of months as those investigations proceed.
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对禁令的早期研究发现,目前70%的儿童仍然可以访问至少一个社交媒体账户。
Early research into the ban has found so far 70% of children still have access to at least one of their social media accounts.
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就像当时首次引入时的许多人一样,我觉得这有点笨拙。
Like many people at the time it was first introduced, I felt it was a bit of a blunt instrument.
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我担心的是,
I had concerns that there
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特别是一些年轻人群体可能比其他人更能从社交媒体的访问中受益,以帮助他们找到自己的族群。
were particularly some groups of young people more than others who might potentially benefit more from access to social media in terms of helping to find their tribe.
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身份形成,无论是生活在更孤立社区的孩子,还是可能有心理健康问题的孩子,或者可能认同为LGBTIQ+的孩子,例如。
identity formation, whether that's kids who are in more isolated communities, kids who might have mental health issues, or who might identify as LGBTIQ+, for example.

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